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Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:00 pm
by Badgers
Thoroughbreds wrote:Badgers wrote:2009 Awards Update
Leading Candidates for All-Leather Shortstop
SS Angel Zarate, Manchester Maulers
SS Dean Jefferson, Fargo Dinosaurs
SS Raul Garcia, Kalamazoo Badgers
Leading Candidates for All-Leather Centerfield
CF Jack Miller, Canton Longshoremen
CF Sancho Martinez, Kentucky Thoroughbreds
CF George Taylor, Connecticut Nutmeggers
I am sure your players would appreciate some support from their respective managers! And you GMs with players you feel should be on the list... let your voices be heard. 
Sancho Martinez? really? I will have to check that out ...
Sancho belongs on the list, at least I think so.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:04 pm
by Cole
How did Hector Castillo get left off the list and Raul Garcia make it? I do agree that George Taylor deserves a look though
Hector in my opinion doesn't play with enough flash
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:07 pm
by Cole
There are two other players with perfect fielding% in CF, but I didn't feel either one played enough in the middle.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:08 pm
by Badgers
Badgers wrote:How did Hector Castillo get left off the list and Raul Garcia make it? I do agree that George Taylor deserves a look though
Hector in my opinion doesn't play with enough flash
Not sure I know what that means.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:09 pm
by Maulers
Angel Zarate is clearly the finest SS to ever lace up the spikes. I am so confident in this conclusion that I will not expend any energy defending it.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:10 pm
by Maulers
How about Manny Lara in CF? He can't throw worth a hoot, but, man, can he go get them.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:17 pm
by Cole
How about Manny Lara in CF? He can't throw worth a hoot, but, man, can he go get them.
My opinion: He's only played 75 games in CF. His range is awesome, but he just hasn't done much.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:21 pm
by Cole
@Nuttmeggers: How did Hector Castillo get left off the list and Raul Garcia make it? I do agree that George Taylor deserves a look though
@Badgers: Hector in my opinion doesn't play with enough flash
@Nuttmeggers: Not sure I know what that means.
That means that Garcia has two more DP in playing 45 less innings.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:34 pm
by Badgers
Badgers wrote:@Nuttmeggers: How did Hector Castillo get left off the list and Raul Garcia make it? I do agree that George Taylor deserves a look though
@Badgers: Hector in my opinion doesn't play with enough flash
@Nuttmeggers: Not sure I know what that means.
That means that Garcia has two more DP in playing 45 less innings.
I thought fielding % was how you doled out these awards?
Also, your pitching staff are more ground ball pitchers than they are in Palm Springs.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:22 pm
by Coqui
That means that Garcia has two more DP in playing 45 less innings.
True, Garcia also plays behind a pitching staff that throws far more groundballs. Despite that, Castillo has fielded more chances and made fewer errors, has a higher range factor, has gotten to more balls (and not relied on his second baseman as much for chances), and has a higher fielding percentage (as ridiculous a stat as that is). So, all told, Castillo leads in all but
one category that OOtP measures. That would be the empirical data on it.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:33 pm
by Cole
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@Nuttmeggers: How did Hector Castillo get left off the list and Raul Garcia make it? I do agree that George Taylor deserves a look though
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@Badgers: Hector in my opinion doesn't play with enough flash
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@Nuttmeggers: Not sure I know what that means.
@Badgers
That means that Garcia has two more DP in playing 45 less innings.
@Longshoremen: True, Garcia also plays behind a pitching staff that throws far more groundballs. Despite that, Castillo has fielded more chances and made fewer errors, has a higher range factor, has gotten to more balls (and not relied on his second baseman as much for chances), and has a higher fielding percentage (as ridiculous a stat as that is). So, all told, Castillo leads in all but one category that OOtP measures. That would be the empirical data on it.
Getting two more DP in 45 less innings as a reason for being more FLASHY was obviously not meant to be taken seriously, but I like the enthusiasm
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Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:42 pm
by Coqui
Just showing why Castillo should be on there, and not Garcia. We wanted a debate, right? I'd love to throw Jack Cobb out there but, sadly, that would be ridiculous. He, however, is flashy.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:48 pm
by John
Throwing Jack Cobb out there for absolutely anything is always ridiculous by definition.
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:52 pm
by Badgers
Borealis - Commissioner wrote:Throwing Jack Cobb out there for absolutely anything is always ridiculous by definition.
What about best player from Mulberry, Arkansas?
Re: 2009 SEASON AWARDS DISCUSSION BOARD
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:56 pm
by Cole
Just showing why Castillo should be on there, and not Garcia. We wanted a debate, right? I'd love to throw Jack Cobb out there but, sadly, that would be ridiculous. He, however, is flashy.
Who do you think should be the #1 All-Leather SS?